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School of Aerospace Sciences

An aviation degree from UND is not really worth it.  You are better off obtaining a degree at an institution other than UND or in an employable non-aviation related field, then getting your flight training at a school where you have the option of flying where you want to fly. Include major airports, International and over-water destinations in your training portfolio and you will be truly employable in the aviation industry. Obtaining your degree at UND simply means you spent a lot of money to go through a "pilot mill" with an bad overall reputation. So, "think twice before wasting so much money at UND".

 
UND Aircraft Accidents, Incidents & Near Near Midair Collisions
Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Data as of: January 28, 2001
What is the difference between an accident and and an incident? The NTSB provides the following definitions.
ACCIDENT-An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and until such time as all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.
INCIDENT-An occurrence other than an accident associated with the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety of operations.

Other Schools Offering A Bachelor Degree & Flight Training

How Do UND's Mishap Statistics Stack Up To Other Schools? Answer: Poorly UND had 69 aircraft mishaps since 1983. By comparison

Arizona State Univ

0

Florida Tech

3

Lynn University

0

Parks College Of Saint Louis University

13

University of North Dakota 

69

Averett College

0

Jacksonville University

0

Middle Tennessee State University

1

Purdue less than 45

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Western Michigan University

7

Daniel Webster College 

6

Kansas State University At Salina

6

Northwestern State University Of Louisiana

0

Pennsylvania College Of Technology

0

 

 

Embry-Riddle

33

Kent State (less than 30)

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Ohio State Univ

2

University Of Dubuque

3

   
Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) ur = under review

List of UND's Aeronautical Mishaps  
Piper-44, N294ND, October 2, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N246ND, July 13, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, 115ND, June 9, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-44, N190ND, February 22, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-44, N851ND, February 7, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N140ND, February 5, 2000 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N243ND, September 18, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Near Midair Collision, April 30, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Near Midair Collision, April 11, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Beech-400, N3196N, March 22, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-369-E, N46EE, March 16, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28R, N175ND, January 30, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Near Midair Collision, January 16, 1999 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Eurocopter, N189ND, August 7, 1998 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Schweizer 269C, N557DC, October 14, 1997 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28R, N805ND, October 11, 1997 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N130ND, September 26, 1997 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Near Midair Collision, January 6, 1997 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-18, N66ND, October 30, 1996 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-369-E, N842LA, October 17, 1996 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-185, N185ND, October 3, 1996 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-44, N853ND, June 14, 1996 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N145ND, February 13, 1996 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Socata TB-9, N152ND, October 2, 1995 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-44, N853ND, November 22, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-18, N587PA, October 22, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Helicopter, N61245, September 7, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Beech-C90A, N1553N, August 19, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N132ND, May 26, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28R, N804ND, May 24, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-18, N66ND, February 21, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-44, N190ND, February 13, 1994 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-18, N66ND, December 2, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-18, N66ND, November 11, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Champ-8, N67ND, September 4, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N172ND, July 27,1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Helicopter, N7504D, May 5, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-269-C, 7504D, April 14, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N108ND, April 5, 1993 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Helicopter, N3625Z, October 21, 1992 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Socata TB-9, N150ND, September 29, 1992 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28,  N66ND, May 17 1992 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N57ND, April 23, 1992 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N59ND, April 23, 1992 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28R, N804ND, May 14, 1991 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N143ND, April 16, 1991 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N114ND, April 16, 1991 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N95684, January 21, 1991 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-369-E, N841LA, August 14, 1990 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Murdy CAP-10-B, N64UV, April 21, 1990 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-28, N130ND, December 1, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N95975, October 24, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N5329B, March 1, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N95975, February 13, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N89038, February 6, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-172RG, N9459D, February 6, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-172RG, N9439B, January 21, 1989 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N96730, June 21, 1988 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-269-C, N11079, November 19, 1987 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N95876, July 13, 1987 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper-31, N76ND, January 28, 1987 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Mooney-20, N5808S, November 15, 1986 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Mooney-20, N5808S, October 11, 1986 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna-152, N95636, January 13, 1986 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Hughes-269-C, N5203V, June 18, 1985 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Piper PA-18, N2582S, March 21, 1985 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Beech 76, N1850S, January 27, 1985 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Cessna -152, N93844, October 5, 1983 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Mooney-20-J, N1170G , March 28, 1983 Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)

 

UND's Middle Eastern Connection
UND Boasts About Offering "Crash Courses" For Middle-Eastern Pilots      by Glenda Miskin; Edited by Vivian Nelson, ATP, CFII, MEI. Sources of additional material: Jane's Information Group, CIA, The Economist, Saudi Aramco, and the University of North Dakota
Does High Foreign Students Attendance  Equate To A Quality Aviation Program?      by Vivian Nelson, ATP, CFII, MEI
 
School of Aerospace Quality of Education
WANTED: Flight Instructors - Pilot shortages in airline industry and military erode teacher numbers  Source: Grand Forks Herald
Despite A Poor Safety Record, UND Attempted To Circumvent Federal Rules Governing Flight Instructor Qualifications. Thankfully the FAA denied UND's request.     Source: Federal Aviation Administration
Paula Cooke's Lawsuit Against UND Dismissed     Source: Grand Forks Herald
UND Space Studies Chair taking off for position in Arizona
CAS Loses Assoc Prof Stanley Trollip     Source: Grand Forks Herald
CAS Sued In Pilot Dispute     Source: Grand Forks Herald
The FAA Does Not Actually Rate Flight Schools     Source: Federal Aviation Administration
Embry-Riddle Creams UND In National Competition     Source: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
UND Eyes Taiwan Training Center      Source: Grand Forks Herald
Webmaster Answers a UND Supporters Comments Source: FAA, AOPA, Airports Council International
 
Additional Articles Raise Questions About The Safety Of UND's Aircraft & Pilot Training Program
Mechanical Problems Force UND Planes To Land     Source: The Dakota Student
Federal Investigators Say Pilot Error Caused CAS Crash     Source: Grand Forks Herald
Suicide Suspected; Pilot Charged With Second DUI Night Before Fatal Flight     Source: Grand Forks Herald
Failure of UND Flight Managers To Teach Consequences of  Rejected Takeoff  From Altitude Leads to Substantial  Aircraft Damage     Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
UND Pilot Killed in Rapid City, SD Crash with UND Plane     Source: Grand Forks Herald
UND Helicopter Destroyed on Ground Vibrations Lead To Blaze, Student Pilot Escapes     Source: Grand Forks Herald
UND Plane Has Trouble Landing At GF Airport    Source: Grand Forks Herald
UND Aerospace Officials Called Into Question, Again (Are Certain UND Aerospace Officials Liars Like Judy DeMers Or Do They Simply Have Selective Memories?)      An Editor's Note
UND Trained Pilot Kills 264 People. The Question Remains-Was He Drunk?     Source: Grand Forks Herald
UND Aviation (MISTAKENLY) Lauded For Accident-Free Year     Source: Grand Forks Herald
Accident Aircraft: Piper PA-28-151, N161FS occurred Nov-10-95 at Fond Du Lac, WI. The pilot had a Commercial pilot's license and was enrolled in Flight Instructor Certification Course at the University of North Dakota (UND), Grand Forks, North Dakota.     Source: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
Fraternity Brothers Lost In Plane Crash     Source: Grand Forks Herald

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